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Controversial vicar refuses to comment over his use of the Police to threaten blogger

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Update – Having initially chosen not comment, Reverend Sizer has got back to me in some detail, for which I’m very grateful.

Stephen Sizer has now replied to my request for clarification of his reasons for calling in the Police over his spat with the blogger “Seismic Shock”. Reverend Sizer states that “I do not wish to comment and am happy to leave the matter to the Police”.

This is obviously his business, but it does mean that his critics have pretty much a clear run on this issue. Sizer must surely have realised by now that they aren’t going to shut up about it, however many times he threatens them.

I am genuinely interested to know what Reverend Sizer’s perspective on this issue actually is. At the moment all we have is a story about a representative of our only state-sponsored Church making a lot of very strident comments about the political situation in the Middle East but then calling the Police when some people who (even more stridently) disagree  say mean stuff about him on the internet. Surely if Reverend Sizer really has the courage of his convictions he will be prepared to stand by his words, and his actions? 

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Written by Richard Wilson

January 30, 2010 at 9:46 am

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  1. Of course, if we wanted to be contentious as well, we might question why Rev. Sizer apparently used an ex-Royal Marines to intimidate Seismic Shock.

    This ex-Royal Marine posted some rather offensive comments on Seismic Shock’s blog, and although my mind is somewhat failing, it was the one thing that I remember from last year that stuck in my mind, I thought it was incredibly strange.

    http://seismicshock.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/stephen-sizer-hired-ex-israel-soldier-to-harass-me/

    Make your own minds up.

    modernityblog

    January 30, 2010 at 2:08 pm

  2. Richard,

    Since I posted here in your other thread, I have see a post which tells us that Seismic, and his other anonymous allies like Modernity, went rather further than merely running a couple of hate-blogs for a year.

    Have a look at this open letter from Sizer to Seismic (who remained anonymous, and was then calling himself Mordecai).

    http://stephensizer.blogspot.com/2008/11/open-letter-to-mordechai-ben-emet.html

    “I promised to write one more time and offer to meet, as Jesus instructed us to do in Matthew 18, in response to your decision to use an anonymous blog to criticise me repeatedly since September.

    “You also gained access to our church facebook account without revealing your identity and then wrote to many of our church family to warn them about me, including children who were, not surprisingly, disturbed as were their parents. You also wrote anonymously to the hosts of various conferences I was invited to, to urge them not to allow me to speak. You know from the responses you received, some from Messianic leaders, that they share the Apostle Paul’s disdain for your methods…”

    Now whether this is so or not I don’t know, but I note that neither Seismic nor his apologists like Modernity have troubled to deny it.

    I would imagine that events like this are what prompted the police to take an interest.

    I don’t much like Sizer’s politics, myself. I think he’s engaged in a campaign which repels me. But of course I think he should have the freedom to speak his mind without being subjected to a campaign of demonisation and intimidation. Can we really deny that he IS being subjected to such a campaign?

    Harassment… bullying …. these do seem to describe the situation quite well. If so … what else could Sizer legimately do? What would we do?

    This is not an endorsement of Sizer’s position. But … we need to defend free speech; I think most of us agree on that. But I’m not going to defend cyber-abuse under pretext of free speech, particularly when such abuse is organised to prevent free speech.

    Indeed I am starting to wonder whether this current campaign by Seismic and co may be just more attempts at bullying and intimidation.

    Roger Pearse

    January 30, 2010 at 5:17 pm

  3. One other point: you say “Surely if Reverend Sizer really has the courage of his convictions he will be prepared to stand by his words, and his actions?”

    No doubt he does. But since all his accusers are anonymous, and abusive, and trolls… what is his best action? “Don’t feed the troll?”

    Roger Pearse

    January 30, 2010 at 5:18 pm

  4. Pity that the issue of the ex-Royal Marine isn’t dealt with?

    I imagine that most people would be intimidated if they felt an ex-Royal Marine was abusing them, etc as his own comments show.

    modernityblog

    January 30, 2010 at 8:57 pm

  5. “Seismic Shock could have avoided his troubles if he had been more careful with his rhetoric”

    What!!!

    seismicshock

    January 30, 2010 at 9:21 pm

  6. Sorry, comment in wrong place

    seismicshock

    January 30, 2010 at 9:21 pm

  7. >> Since I posted here in your other thread, I have see a post which tells us that Seismic, and his other anonymous allies like Modernity, went rather further than merely running a couple of hate-blogs for a year.

    This preoccupation with anonymity makes me think of self-regarding professors and pseudo-academics who attach to their names the ‘pride’ of their views.

    “D’you know who I am?”

    >> No doubt he does. But since all his accusers are anonymous, and abusive, and trolls…

    False. Here’s one named critic for a start (whom you censored):

    http://sedgemore.com/2010/01/the-moderation-of-fools/

    Sizer is a public figure who relies on his position within the state church to disseminate his views, and attends formal conferences. He, like politicians, have forfeited 100% expectation to seeing their amateur critics (in the sense of hobbyists not being paid) in the face.

    He blogs as well. A blogger who calls the Police in when faced with criticism is like a boxer who does so when a punch is landed.

    Of course, if there were a case of his being the victim of harassment and violent intimidation, it would be different… can he link Weissman factually rather than rhetorically?

    Alec

    January 31, 2010 at 11:25 am

  8. I would imagine that events like this are what prompted the police to take an interest.

    Roger Pearse: There is still nothing here which would prompt police to take an interest.
    Siesmic has in fact written again, given further particulars of what his actual actions were, and they do not have the sinister twisted spin Sizer puts on them,with the words:
    wrote to many of our church family to warn them about me, including children ..

    The phrase gained access to our church facebook account, implies something illicit, whereas it is an open group page to which anyone can post. The police should no more take an interest in Seismic’s alleged representations to those hosting Sizer’s talks, than they should take an interest in Sizer’s sustained and very public exhortations that Israeli products, academics etc should be boycotted.

    amie

    January 31, 2010 at 4:21 pm

  9. Amie, where has Weismann responding to that demagogic accusation?

    As for the belief of the SS priest… whoops ;) … Stephen Sizer that the choice Seismic Shock was about him, all I can say is Carly Simon.

    Alec

    January 31, 2010 at 5:51 pm


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